Thoughts of today – Canon 1D Mark IV & Nikon D3s

Much can be said about the specs of each of these beasts – but nothing for me more interesting than the possibility to grab stunning video or perhaps I should say film – it’s far from “video” in my book. Myself has been waiting now since forever for Red to release the Scarlet but it seams to be delayed – and the biggest difference I think between these two new players is RAW footage. And that’s probably also why I will wait a bit more before jumping on. I think I have a movie director inside that wants to come out. That said, I’ll continue to use Foveon equipped products.

Canon 1D Mark IV video example by Vincent Laforet..
If you can’t play, go here to his smugmug page or his blog.

Nikon D3s video example Video example from Vincent Munier..

Impressive, isn’t it? Consider that both these cams can go all the way up to ISO102400, which is really insane! Compared to RAW footage possible with a RED, above shots still looks good but somewhat video. Did you notice how Canon footage look Canon? A special brownish tone to skin and enviroment that’s always there in low lit situations. Still impressive. :)

Red one footage: Right click and save as!
(HD720, h264 around 500MB size, but well worth looking at) – Oh, the Mysterious-X is on it’s way too – the next generation sensor from RED that will be even more impressive. Starting at a clean ISO800. You surely need lots of ND’s to do outdoor footage with any depth. You can follow some of that here.

Now, looking at all these mighty riders in shiny armor – when do we see the Foveon sensor do film? (except DP) It would probably not be able to go as high ISO wise but colors and definition will surely be in another league. Especially if it will be able to record in some type of RAW format. Should be possible if you consider what RED team has been able to do.

I still enjoy the possibilities provided by the DP1 and DP2 – and it shows that it’s possible. But still, resolution is way too low. :(

Sigma DP1 – my Sigma AML-1 lens adapter review (sorry, nothing new to share).

About Carl Rytterfalk

Welcome to my blog! I'm Carl Rytterfalk, a swedish photographer who loves everything that is interesting in the world of photography. In 2002 I fell in love with the three layered Foveon sensor and has since then been an addicted user of Sigma cameras. Though I use Canon and Nikon as well. :)
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6 Responses to Thoughts of today – Canon 1D Mark IV & Nikon D3s

  1. Jon Winters says:

    I love Sigma and it’s magical foveon sensor. But I am considering switching for the reasons cited above. I’d also like full frame and high speed sync.

    Why do I stay? When I consider Image Quality per Dollar invested, Sigma can not be beat. Not that I’m a tightwad or anything, I’m just not shooting enough to justify the expense of a platform switch.

  2. Daniel says:

    The special “canon brownish look” was not because of the camera used, but how it was post-processed. As Vincent writes on his blog:

    “P.P.S. – on a technical note: because I know everyone will ask: the footage was graded with Stu’s Magic Bullet Colorista […] The point here is to show what this footage CAN look like when processed on an average laptop (i.e. nothing fancy!)”

  3. Rong says:

    Hi Carl, I’m touched by Foveon, too. Especially after visiting your website. 
    But I don’t think Foveon can go further in more pixels and higher resolution, since it’s a “stacked “sensor not a “tiled” one.
    For Foveon, incoming light ray must be exactly vertical to sensor’s surface so that the other two sensors under surface can capture color signals. Other “tiled” CMOS/CCD also get the problem, but not so strict, since they has only one layer to capture color signals.
    I love Foveon’s film roll feeling, but I hate Sigma’s R&D ability. WHY cannot SIGMA develop Foveon’s electronic potential …

  4. flyingrooster says:

    So does Sigma also have telecentric optics like Olympus claims to have? If not, adopting such an approach would allow for higher resolution sensors, wouldn’t it?
    At least when viewing pics from Olympus cameras, corner sharpness with any lens I have seen is very good and often visibly better than from other manufacturers, especially full frame cameras. So a more telecentric approach definitely has it’s strengths. A poosible solution for high-res Foveons?

  5. Benji says:

    “The special “canon brownish look” was not because of the camera used, but how it was post-processed.”

    Daniel,
    Get real. To say any processed look has nothing to do with the camera it was captured by is just asinine. I know we like to think that with RAW we can process pictures from a virgin-like state but it’s just not true. These images before even processed have a stylistic look imparted to them from their sensors/software, and to each a cetain style of post-processing brings out the best, no?

    In my experience it is true that most Canon DSLR’s produce a image that is best processed as a sort of muted/desaturated look. Canon images don’t like to be vibrant in their colours because they, simply stated, bleed and look more like cheap camcorder-like. But Canon does excel at low-light renditions for this reason (there are not many colours in low-light).

    Nikon has been at it a lot longer and they have always focused on bringing the film look to digital SLR’s. They recognize that film produces vibrant colours that can be distinctly separated. They do a bit better than canon and for the most part come out with colours that don’t bleed too so much but they still have a hard time getting it right even in bright daylight. Though Nikon excels at greens and blues and the colder temperatures in my opinion, people still tend to process their nikon photos in a desaturated manner to hide it’s inaccuracy.

    As for Foveon, yes, somewhat terrible in low-light (as there are not many colours to fill the sensors needs for RGB). But it light, especially in natural light, the sensor manages to capture such a wide spectrum of colours (and separate them!) and such a wide dynamic range as to beat out the competition flat out. My nikon friend makes fun of me when it comes to versatility but he fully admits that in daylight, his $5000 DSLR can’t beat the quality of my $400 DSLR (yep that’s what I paid for it brand new on clearance sale). This is of course forgetting the silly megapixel wars (and if you think megapixel equals a better camera I’ve got an article or two to share with you.)

  6. I want Sigma DP1 !!! I love it.
    Great job and great shots! Congratulations.

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