I’m afraid that the Scarlet 2/3″ Cinema will not have Canon or Nikon mounts. At least I didn’t see this. You’d also have a huge multiplier with the relatively small 2/3″ sensor. So unfortunately it looks like the S35 costing $7000 for just the body will be the “cheapest” way to mount DSLR lenses.

And I don’t really quite get how the Genesis does it’s full color thing either. If you download the Genesis user guide PDF it sort of explains it, and like you surmised, it doesn’t seem to be a multi-layer sensor, but nor does it seem to have three separate sensors, so I don’t know how it works really. Maybe they’re deliberately vague to keep it some kind of trade secret. It is definitely full color, though, so that’s cool.

They also rave about the Genesis’s latitude, specifically pointing out how light coming through the trees in the dark jungle wasn’t blowing out and losing detail, so I don’t know how to explain the blown highlights. Maybe that’s a limitation of Super 16?

On Blu Ray the footage looks very lush and organic with deep blacks and gorgeous color — really reminds me of the Foveon in good light.

Well, I hope the Red eventually goes full color, because it’s one badass unit.

I tried to find more info on the Genesis way of working – like three CCD/CMOS or layered? (don’t think it’s layers as Foveon is the only one from what I know). Found this later: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_(Panavision)

10bit / 12bit – I guess it’s mostly numbers but with more bits there often comes a wider dynamic range as the range has more bits and you can therefore push more. But if difference was 10bit vs 16bit – I guess it would be worth much more. :)
http://red.cachefly.net/14/list2.jpg
(Scarlet is the one I’m after)

The Scarlet with the 2/3″ Cinema is the one I want – can do 3K at 1-120fps and 150fps and 150fps for a shorter time. 3K, that’s a lot of data! It’s also done in RAW – can do time lapse etc. Also you can attach any lens from Canon / Nikon or their own. I will get some fast primes for this one. Price? $2.500. 2/3″ is tiny bit smaller than 16mm film (they used 16mm when shooting Lord of the rings). This at weddings will rock! (beside my SD/DP’s).

Movies made with todays RED is Angels and Demons, Knowing, Crossing the line, Jumper, Che, Night at the museum 2, My bloody valentine 3D etc..

But yeah — give me either one. Or better yet, both.

I didn’t realize the Genesis couldn’t output raw, though. That’s really surprising to me.

What you call full size is only cine size. What Red has today is same size but those next sensors are twice the size and beyond. Also, Red records RAW footage, the Genesis does 4:4:4 but still processed in camera not Raw, more like jpeg and only 10bit while Red does 12bit. Also genesis does 50fps while the Red produces up to 120fps. Then we have resolution. :) 4k today, 5k and beyond this fall. (Epic sensor).

But I never tried either one. I’d be happy to own any of them too. :D

http://www.panavision.com/product_detail.php?maincat=1&cat=36&id=375&node=c0,c136,c137

It hammers home the fact that the DP-2 indeed uses a large dimension image sensor compared to other pocket cameras.

I’m not optimistic about the Foveon/Sigma combination. Sigma had only about $5 million in working capital at the end of 2008, and $5 million doesn’t buy a whole lot of high technology. I believe that’s why the DP2 doesn’t have a better LCD, autofocus, etc. It also explains the long gestation period of their cameras and why firmware updates are relied upon to bring along improvements to the camera. Things get improved or fixed as the cash flow allows.