Comments on: SD15 and DP2 | First thoughts.. http://www.rytterfalk.com/2008/09/24/sd15-and-dp2-first-thoughts/ Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:21:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Scott Kennelly http://www.rytterfalk.com/2008/09/24/sd15-and-dp2-first-thoughts/#comment-120399 Scott Kennelly Fri, 07 Oct 2011 20:27:40 +0000 http://www.rytterfalk.com/?p=479#comment-120399 I am using a Sigma SD14 with a CF-SD adapter, with an SD-MicroSDHC adapter in it, with a 4 GB class 6 MicroSDHC card. It works great! I'll be getting an 8 GB class 10 MicroSDHC card soon, because I just don't think the CF cards are necessary. This type of memory card set-up worked fine in my old Sony R1 also. The MicroSDHC cards didn't work in my Canon 5 D, but regular MicroSD cards did (with the adapters, of course). Now there are new, super-fast SD cards in very large sizes, so there is really no need for CF cards anymore. I am using a Sigma SD14 with a CF-SD adapter, with an SD-MicroSDHC adapter in it, with a 4 GB class 6 MicroSDHC card. It works great! I’ll be getting an 8 GB class 10 MicroSDHC card soon, because I just don’t think the CF cards are necessary. This type of memory card set-up worked fine in my old Sony R1 also. The MicroSDHC cards didn’t work in my Canon 5 D, but regular MicroSD cards did (with the adapters, of course).

Now there are new, super-fast SD cards in very large sizes, so there is really no need for CF cards anymore.

]]> By: Mark Alan Thomas http://www.rytterfalk.com/2008/09/24/sd15-and-dp2-first-thoughts/#comment-104671 Mark Alan Thomas Mon, 22 Jun 2009 06:27:51 +0000 http://www.rytterfalk.com/?p=479#comment-104671 I don't really understand the anti-SD sentiments. I have an SD14 which takes Compact Flash, and a DP1 which takes SD. They both seem to work equally well. I don’t really understand the anti-SD sentiments. I have an SD14 which takes Compact Flash, and a DP1 which takes SD. They both seem to work equally well.

]]> By: Tyler Shoemaker http://www.rytterfalk.com/2008/09/24/sd15-and-dp2-first-thoughts/#comment-104667 Tyler Shoemaker Mon, 22 Jun 2009 04:34:32 +0000 http://www.rytterfalk.com/?p=479#comment-104667 I think it would have been a better idea to keep the good ol' compact flash memory in the SD15. For one, you can simply buy a compact flash - SD adapter if you really wanted to use SD in the Sigma... You can't go SD - compact flash... & compact flash is more dependable, with the benefit of more space. Everything else looks good on the SD15 though... It'll be interesting to see how the new processor does it's job at making better images... Perhaps they geared it towards getting better images EASIER (for the average consumer)-- which with the switch to less professional SD memory, makes me think they're taking that Canon/Nikon simplistic road... (maybe I'm just trying to justify my purchase of the SD14 about a week ago and not waiting for the 15! haha) About your comment regarding video. That would be a great feature, however something freaks me out about combining a still image sensor with video capture -- just leaves me feeling like there's more to loose by combining the two... I'm not an expert though, just a thought. All & all you're right Foveon should get into the business of making video chips. I believe the RED cam uses a similar technology actually, which would explain it's film like characteristics. P.S. just picked up a SD14 last week here in Canada-- Was waiting about 5 years for film-like digital to spring into existence at an affordable rate; And here it is! (impossible to find/buy ANYWHERE here in Canada). I absolutely love it. I'm used to shooting in expensive 35mm format so I don't mind taking my time at all with my images and so far getting some decent results. I know they'll only get better as I get faster and faster with it! Perhaps I can soon be a Sigma spokesperson like you & the others & push people to invest in the Sigma/Foveon system for years to come! Some of my first images are online - http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542518@N06/sets/ Thanks for the inspiration Carl, keep up the good work (& Sigma marketing!) -Tyler Shoemaker Windsor, Ontario, Canada. I think it would have been a better idea to keep the good ol’ compact flash memory in the SD15. For one, you can simply buy a compact flash – SD adapter if you really wanted to use SD in the Sigma… You can’t go SD – compact flash… & compact flash is more dependable, with the benefit of more space. Everything else looks good on the SD15 though… It’ll be interesting to see how the new processor does it’s job at making better images… Perhaps they geared it towards getting better images EASIER (for the average consumer)– which with the switch to less professional SD memory, makes me think they’re taking that Canon/Nikon simplistic road… (maybe I’m just trying to justify my purchase of the SD14 about a week ago and not waiting for the 15! haha) About your comment regarding video. That would be a great feature, however something freaks me out about combining a still image sensor with video capture — just leaves me feeling like there’s more to loose by combining the two… I’m not an expert though, just a thought. All & all you’re right Foveon should get into the business of making video chips. I believe the RED cam uses a similar technology actually, which would explain it’s film like characteristics.

P.S. just picked up a SD14 last week here in Canada– Was waiting about 5 years for film-like digital to spring into existence at an affordable rate; And here it is! (impossible to find/buy ANYWHERE here in Canada). I absolutely love it. I’m used to shooting in expensive 35mm format so I don’t mind taking my time at all with my images and so far getting some decent results. I know they’ll only get better as I get faster and faster with it! Perhaps I can soon be a Sigma spokesperson like you & the others & push people to invest in the Sigma/Foveon system for years to come! Some of my first images are online –

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542518@N06/sets/

Thanks for the inspiration Carl, keep up the good work (& Sigma marketing!)

-Tyler Shoemaker
Windsor, Ontario, Canada.

]]> By: John Maitland Graves http://www.rytterfalk.com/2008/09/24/sd15-and-dp2-first-thoughts/#comment-104527 John Maitland Graves Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:11:09 +0000 http://www.rytterfalk.com/?p=479#comment-104527 The reason that a retro focus lens is used that there is a narrower light cone, therefore less light fall off. A pancake lens has a wider angel light cone, therefore more light fall off in addition to the light striking the sensor as a greater angle toward the edges of the sensor. I have a DP1 and a DP2. I plan to use the DP2 for panoramas and fine art reproduction using PTGui's stitching software. By the way, PhotoZoom does a terrific job enlarging Sigma images. Even if the speed is not "quite up there," the quality of the image more than make up for it. I would compare the IQ to 4x5 ectachromes The reason that a retro focus lens is used that there is a narrower light cone, therefore less light fall off. A pancake lens has a wider angel light cone, therefore more light fall off in addition to the light striking the sensor as a greater angle toward the edges of the sensor.
I have a DP1 and a DP2. I plan to use the DP2 for panoramas and fine art reproduction using PTGui’s stitching software. By the way, PhotoZoom does a terrific job enlarging Sigma images. Even if the speed is not “quite up there,” the quality of the image more than make up for it. I would compare the IQ to 4×5 ectachromes

]]> By: Carl Rytterfalk http://www.rytterfalk.com/2008/09/24/sd15-and-dp2-first-thoughts/#comment-87460 Carl Rytterfalk Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:09:12 +0000 http://www.rytterfalk.com/?p=479#comment-87460 The Panda! Welcome back! That video says very little. hehe.. it's like looking at a DP1 and listen to someone speaking dutch. hehe but thanks. :) The Panda! Welcome back! That video says very little. hehe.. it’s like looking at a DP1 and listen to someone speaking dutch. hehe but thanks. :)

]]> By: Carl Rytterfalk http://www.rytterfalk.com/2008/09/24/sd15-and-dp2-first-thoughts/#comment-87459 Carl Rytterfalk Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:08:05 +0000 http://www.rytterfalk.com/?p=479#comment-87459 DC, Amen! :D DC, Amen! :D

]]> By: Carl Rytterfalk http://www.rytterfalk.com/2008/09/24/sd15-and-dp2-first-thoughts/#comment-87458 Carl Rytterfalk Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:07:34 +0000 http://www.rytterfalk.com/?p=479#comment-87458 Hi Nathan! Burned highlights sounds like a ISO50 effect. Colors could be developers fault. I know that there is a new SPP on it's way with improved data handling for the DP1 - not tried it and it's more a rumor type of knowledge. Lightroom 2.1 has better color separation of the DP1 files. If you like, send me one file and I'll develop it for you and we can see if it becomes any better. Hi Nathan!

Burned highlights sounds like a ISO50 effect. Colors could be developers fault. I know that there is a new SPP on it’s way with improved data handling for the DP1 – not tried it and it’s more a rumor type of knowledge. Lightroom 2.1 has better color separation of the DP1 files. If you like, send me one file and I’ll develop it for you and we can see if it becomes any better.

]]> By: Nathan http://www.rytterfalk.com/2008/09/24/sd15-and-dp2-first-thoughts/#comment-87457 Nathan Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:54:06 +0000 http://www.rytterfalk.com/?p=479#comment-87457 Howdy! Great site. I've been visiting here for the last few months since I got a DP1 and have learned a lot. Very excited about the DP2! Any news on DP3? I have a slightly off topic question and I thought you'd be the one to know. With my DP1, I find that highlights often burn out and I loose color and detail that can't be regained. Any way to avoid this? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Howdy! Great site. I’ve been visiting here for the last few months since I got a DP1 and have learned a lot. Very excited about the DP2!
Any news on DP3?

I have a slightly off topic question and I thought you’d be the one to know. With my DP1, I find that highlights often burn out and I loose color and detail that can’t be regained. Any way to avoid this?
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks.

]]> By: Carl Rytterfalk http://www.rytterfalk.com/2008/09/24/sd15-and-dp2-first-thoughts/#comment-87456 Carl Rytterfalk Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:58:40 +0000 http://www.rytterfalk.com/?p=479#comment-87456 Hi Curtis. Your Lightroom has to be 2.1 ( http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Lightroom_2.1#Download ) and the price of coming cameras are still unknown. I hope it's not too much though. :) Hi Curtis. Your Lightroom has to be 2.1 ( http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Lightroom_2.1#Download ) and the price of coming cameras are still unknown. I hope it’s not too much though. :)

]]> By: Curtis http://www.rytterfalk.com/2008/09/24/sd15-and-dp2-first-thoughts/#comment-87451 Curtis Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:47:01 +0000 http://www.rytterfalk.com/?p=479#comment-87451 Carl: Do you have an idea what they are going to be asking for the SD15? DP2?? Also, my Lightroom 2 won't import DP1 raw files. What update am i missing? Carl:

Do you have an idea what they are going to be asking for the SD15? DP2?? Also, my Lightroom 2 won’t import DP1 raw files. What update am i missing?

]]> By: Carl Rytterfalk http://www.rytterfalk.com/2008/09/24/sd15-and-dp2-first-thoughts/#comment-87447 Carl Rytterfalk Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:22:01 +0000 http://www.rytterfalk.com/?p=479#comment-87447 scott.. You are right - it feels like Sigma needs a new sesnor from Foveon. But at the same time I have images here beside me that are printed 90x70cm - and I use to show them on different fairs in sweden - People as asked me if it's taken with a medium format camera. It looks soo so so crisp and sharp and vivid EVEN close up. http://www.rytterfalk.com/2007/11/17/from-the-photo-fair/ There IS something special with the foveon image. we still have problem to point out exactly what. Micro contrast and micro colors might be the answer. I for one don't really care for more pixels. I want the camera to work faster and without hesitation. scott.. You are right – it feels like Sigma needs a new sesnor from Foveon. But at the same time I have images here beside me that are printed 90x70cm – and I use to show them on different fairs in sweden – People as asked me if it’s taken with a medium format camera. It looks soo so so crisp and sharp and vivid EVEN close up. http://www.rytterfalk.com/2007/11/17/from-the-photo-fair/

There IS something special with the foveon image. we still have problem to point out exactly what. Micro contrast and micro colors might be the answer.

I for one don’t really care for more pixels. I want the camera to work faster and without hesitation.

]]> By: Carl Rytterfalk http://www.rytterfalk.com/2008/09/24/sd15-and-dp2-first-thoughts/#comment-87446 Carl Rytterfalk Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:14:16 +0000 http://www.rytterfalk.com/?p=479#comment-87446 DC, I'm requesting lots more balls too.. They need to stand out a and with a long engine sound before you can take the first shot is not cool. I would also like to see the "all times out" lens to be faster. Maybe it's easier to make a great prime faster if it's not supposed to move in and out. I've seen great fast pancake primes. (At least I think they're good, never tried one). 41mm at 2.8 is OK. But 41mm at 1.4 - 1.8 is even cooler! And I hoooope a lot in the movie mode. I really do enjoy a video from time to time. I started out in the film business before getting in to still images. DC, I’m requesting lots more balls too.. They need to stand out a and with a long engine sound before you can take the first shot is not cool.

I would also like to see the “all times out” lens to be faster. Maybe it’s easier to make a great prime faster if it’s not supposed to move in and out. I’ve seen great fast pancake primes. (At least I think they’re good, never tried one). 41mm at 2.8 is OK. But 41mm at 1.4 – 1.8 is even cooler!

And I hoooope a lot in the movie mode. I really do enjoy a video from time to time. I started out in the film business before getting in to still images.

]]> By: dc http://www.rytterfalk.com/2008/09/24/sd15-and-dp2-first-thoughts/#comment-87445 dc Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:02:53 +0000 http://www.rytterfalk.com/?p=479#comment-87445 Does anyone want to translate that video, for us poor monolingual American fools? Carl: I agree entirely about the always-out lens with manual controls. I bought my DP1 because it was the closest thing I could find to a 70s-era rangefinder, without all the fruity "night-waterfall-baby-flower-shot" presets; the manual aperture, ISO, and focus, and (sometimes!) very filmlike grain were a huge selling point for me. Since I got it, the most exasperating thing is having to move through the menus to access the manual settings. Having dedicated controls for them would make it so much easier and faster to use. (But then, having faster manual controls might make it that much more of a pain to wait for RAW images to write... :) And of course, having the lens always out would remove the 1 second + minimum shot time... oooh wouldn't that be nice. I'm very excited about the Olympus 4/3ds compact camera for that reason. Prime when I want, zoom when I want, no startup lag... but no Foveon. Balls! Does anyone want to translate that video, for us poor monolingual American fools?

Carl: I agree entirely about the always-out lens with manual controls. I bought my DP1 because it was the closest thing I could find to a 70s-era rangefinder, without all the fruity “night-waterfall-baby-flower-shot” presets; the manual aperture, ISO, and focus, and (sometimes!) very filmlike grain were a huge selling point for me. Since I got it, the most exasperating thing is having to move through the menus to access the manual settings. Having dedicated controls for them would make it so much easier and faster to use. (But then, having faster manual controls might make it that much more of a pain to wait for RAW images to write… :)

And of course, having the lens always out would remove the 1 second + minimum shot time… oooh wouldn’t that be nice. I’m very excited about the Olympus 4/3ds compact camera for that reason. Prime when I want, zoom when I want, no startup lag… but no Foveon. Balls!

]]> By: ThePanda http://www.rytterfalk.com/2008/09/24/sd15-and-dp2-first-thoughts/#comment-87444 ThePanda Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:14:22 +0000 http://www.rytterfalk.com/?p=479#comment-87444 Long time Carl! I like the new layout. Glad to see you back up and running. On the lens of the DP2 check out this video... I won't spoil it for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9nbA694K1k -Chris Long time Carl!

I like the new layout. Glad to see you back up and running.

On the lens of the DP2 check out this video…

I won’t spoil it for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9nbA694K1k

-Chris

]]> By: Scott A Greiff http://www.rytterfalk.com/2008/09/24/sd15-and-dp2-first-thoughts/#comment-87443 Scott A Greiff Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:06:21 +0000 http://www.rytterfalk.com/?p=479#comment-87443 Here's hoping that Sigma's new processing engine does a better / faster job, but considering how it's getting leap-frogged in the marketplace I hold out little hope that their market-share will expand at all. It used to be that Sigma saying "14MP" used to be a big deal. Now with the Sony A900, the 5D Mk II and even the D700, it's meaning less and less. No doubt the SD14 and DP1 are fine cameras and will continue to produce fine results in optimal lighting scenarios, but there's not much hope that Sigma can capture a sales numbers that will make it worth developing cameras for the future. My prediction is that IF the DP2 and SD15 make it to market, they will be Sigma's last. I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong, but I have not vested interest having moved over to FourThirds myself (with my DP1 in my day-bag). Here’s hoping that Sigma’s new processing engine does a better / faster job, but considering how it’s getting leap-frogged in the marketplace I hold out little hope that their market-share will expand at all. It used to be that Sigma saying “14MP” used to be a big deal. Now with the Sony A900, the 5D Mk II and even the D700, it’s meaning less and less.

No doubt the SD14 and DP1 are fine cameras and will continue to produce fine results in optimal lighting scenarios, but there’s not much hope that Sigma can capture a sales numbers that will make it worth developing cameras for the future. My prediction is that IF the DP2 and SD15 make it to market, they will be Sigma’s last.

I could be wrong. I hope I’m wrong, but I have not vested interest having moved over to FourThirds myself (with my DP1 in my day-bag).

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