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		<title>By: Carl Rytterfalk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Rytterfalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure how you do in order not to get pleasing results.. But, Perhaps if you show me a shot or two then I can advice more easily? Remember, try to aim so that the background behind person in question is lit / has lights of some sort - and that the person you&#039;re shooting is in as much darkness as possible. Now, find a person who is willing to let you play! Then you can experiment some before jumping to the next.. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure how you do in order not to get pleasing results.. But, Perhaps if you show me a shot or two then I can advice more easily? Remember, try to aim so that the background behind person in question is lit / has lights of some sort &#8211; and that the person you&#8217;re shooting is in as much darkness as possible. Now, find a person who is willing to let you play! Then you can experiment some before jumping to the next.. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Enrico Ripalti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enrico Ripalti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2011 14:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Carl!
Just another really interesting post of yours! Really nice colours and depth of field with that prime lens! I&#039;m having an assigment like yours next week and I was wondering what flash settings did you use with your EF 500 super: I would shoot with your same equipment, apart from the lens, which in my case would be the 20-40 EX f/2,8 or the 50mm 1,4.
I have tried using the Super in TTL mode but didn&#039;t get really close to your results: how the hell did you set up your flash? :-)

I thank you so much in advance and warmly greet you from Italy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carl!<br />
Just another really interesting post of yours! Really nice colours and depth of field with that prime lens! I&#8217;m having an assigment like yours next week and I was wondering what flash settings did you use with your EF 500 super: I would shoot with your same equipment, apart from the lens, which in my case would be the 20-40 EX f/2,8 or the 50mm 1,4.<br />
I have tried using the Super in TTL mode but didn&#8217;t get really close to your results: how the hell did you set up your flash? :-)</p>
<p>I thank you so much in advance and warmly greet you from Italy.</p>
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		<title>By: Elinchrom Ranger Quadra &#124; day 2. &#124; Carl Rytterfalk Fotografi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elinchrom Ranger Quadra &#124; day 2. &#124; Carl Rytterfalk Fotografi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] flashy too you know).. Also I use the same technique with this flash as I did back with the &#8220;club photos&#8221; -  without a meeter you do need to take more shots to get good light. It does take time. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] flashy too you know).. Also I use the same technique with this flash as I did back with the &#8220;club photos&#8221; -  without a meeter you do need to take more shots to get good light. It does take time. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Soyef Uddin Tarafdar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soyef Uddin Tarafdar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just been reading your article and was wondering if you can help me with my setting for taking photo&#039;s in bars/nightclubs that have different lighting in various parts. One of the bars I have taken photo&#039;s at has one end fairly bright and other end quite dark with the middle part sort of a transition area between the 2 ends.

The equipment I use are:

Olympus E-410 DSLR camera
Olympus Zuiko Digital 35mm f3.5 Macro lens
Sigma 18-50mm f3.5-5.6 DC lens
Olympus FL-36 flash gun

Out of the 2 lens the Sigma 18-50mm f3.5-5.6 DC lens is my main lens that I use when I go out taking photo&#039;s in clubs and bars

You can see some of the photo&#039;s that I have taken on my FaceBook group: http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=logo#/group.php?gid=45358251081

Any help you can give me would be appreciated.

Thank you 
Soyef</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just been reading your article and was wondering if you can help me with my setting for taking photo&#8217;s in bars/nightclubs that have different lighting in various parts. One of the bars I have taken photo&#8217;s at has one end fairly bright and other end quite dark with the middle part sort of a transition area between the 2 ends.</p>
<p>The equipment I use are:</p>
<p>Olympus E-410 DSLR camera<br />
Olympus Zuiko Digital 35mm f3.5 Macro lens<br />
Sigma 18-50mm f3.5-5.6 DC lens<br />
Olympus FL-36 flash gun</p>
<p>Out of the 2 lens the Sigma 18-50mm f3.5-5.6 DC lens is my main lens that I use when I go out taking photo&#8217;s in clubs and bars</p>
<p>You can see some of the photo&#8217;s that I have taken on my FaceBook group: <a href="http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=logo#/group.php?gid=45358251081" rel="nofollow">http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=logo#/group.php?gid=45358251081</a></p>
<p>Any help you can give me would be appreciated.</p>
<p>Thank you<br />
Soyef</p>
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		<title>By: itime@dp1</title>
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		<dc:creator>itime@dp1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great idea,thks carl share this wonderful experience~
we always get surprise from here.LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great idea,thks carl share this wonderful experience~<br />
we always get surprise from here.LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Artur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Artur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks mate this settings really works and i&#039;v made same bouncecard works nice . You can check http://www.flickr.com/photos/arturf/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks mate this settings really works and i&#8217;v made same bouncecard works nice . You can check <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/arturf/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/arturf/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob Dodds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Dodds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigma 30mm at f1.4 looks sharp.

I tried Gary Fong whaletail diffuser on Sigma 500, puffer on built-in. Not bright enough for ISO 100 and 21mm lens.

Wax paper gives enough diffusion for an 8&quot; Clorox bottle bottom used as bounce reflector. Wax paper will need help from an intermediate lens for straight flash diffuser. I&#039;m trying for the best of both worlds as far as direct light and bounce or diffusion. Packman&#039;s explanation is helping me to understand widening the light source evenly, and then aim to lose as little light as possible while widening evenly. Unfortunately the easiest ways of widening the light source evenly also throw away a lot of light. Karl&#039;s bounce card works as well as anything I&#039;ve seen, in terms of efficiency, which is the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigma 30mm at f1.4 looks sharp.</p>
<p>I tried Gary Fong whaletail diffuser on Sigma 500, puffer on built-in. Not bright enough for ISO 100 and 21mm lens.</p>
<p>Wax paper gives enough diffusion for an 8&#8243; Clorox bottle bottom used as bounce reflector. Wax paper will need help from an intermediate lens for straight flash diffuser. I&#8217;m trying for the best of both worlds as far as direct light and bounce or diffusion. Packman&#8217;s explanation is helping me to understand widening the light source evenly, and then aim to lose as little light as possible while widening evenly. Unfortunately the easiest ways of widening the light source evenly also throw away a lot of light. Karl&#8217;s bounce card works as well as anything I&#8217;ve seen, in terms of efficiency, which is the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Rytterfalk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Rytterfalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott! Sometimes you need something much stronger! :) That&#039;s when you bring your ProFoto AcuteB 600r and a ring flash! :D At least I would like to bring one if I had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott! Sometimes you need something much stronger! :) That&#8217;s when you bring your ProFoto AcuteB 600r and a ring flash! :D At least I would like to bring one if I had.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Greiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Greiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great guide.  I had a lot of fun yesterday (not!) trying to deal with taking pictures at a convention where the ambient light was so strong that it really precludes you from dragging the shutter too much.  Shooting at 1/15 sec. really introduced blur because the ambient light would burn a ghost image and the temp would make the flashed image look like crud.

I have no one but myself to blame for not experimenting enough.  Next time! :)


- Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great guide.  I had a lot of fun yesterday (not!) trying to deal with taking pictures at a convention where the ambient light was so strong that it really precludes you from dragging the shutter too much.  Shooting at 1/15 sec. really introduced blur because the ambient light would burn a ghost image and the temp would make the flashed image look like crud.</p>
<p>I have no one but myself to blame for not experimenting enough.  Next time! :)</p>
<p>- Scott</p>
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		<title>By: Chris (ThePanda)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris (ThePanda)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 06:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice Carl! This is really helpful. It lets your think about flash in a different way. I have blogged it on my website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice Carl! This is really helpful. It lets your think about flash in a different way. I have blogged it on my website.</p>
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		<title>By: Packman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Packman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of my nightclub photography is done with hard light.  The edgy stuff I do lends itself to harsh shadows.

I&#039;ll try to use two remote flash heads.  One hand held an arms length to my left or right.  The other i&#039;ll use as a crossing backlight opposite the one I hold.  For the back light i&#039;ll put it on the floor or hang it off something in the room (trying to hide it directly behind my subject) or sometime I get someone to hold it.  If i&#039;m in a smaller room or theres anything bounceable i&#039;ll use a hard key light like I described an arms length to my side and then the other I&#039;ll bounce as a soft fill light.

The other major thing is that I&#039;ll drag the shutter to get a soft ambient fill, usually .5 to 1.5 seconds exposure time.  I set the apperature to between about f/8 for my flash at about 6 feet to f/2 at 20 feet.

I do have a couple different 1x1 foot soft box attachment for the flashes but they only soften (i.e. wrap light arround the subject when the flash is at most 3 feet from the subject and that is often too close so I don&#039;t move them much.

A friend recently started using a a thin white 3 foot long tube wraped arround the head.  I havent seen the results but I do imagine that at a distance of up 6 feet this should create a nice soft wrap if held horizontally.  It&#039;s just a strange and unweildy thing to have to carry, but i&#039;m gonna try it eventually.

www.packman.fotopic.net
www.nightclubs.fotopic.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of my nightclub photography is done with hard light.  The edgy stuff I do lends itself to harsh shadows.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try to use two remote flash heads.  One hand held an arms length to my left or right.  The other i&#8217;ll use as a crossing backlight opposite the one I hold.  For the back light i&#8217;ll put it on the floor or hang it off something in the room (trying to hide it directly behind my subject) or sometime I get someone to hold it.  If i&#8217;m in a smaller room or theres anything bounceable i&#8217;ll use a hard key light like I described an arms length to my side and then the other I&#8217;ll bounce as a soft fill light.</p>
<p>The other major thing is that I&#8217;ll drag the shutter to get a soft ambient fill, usually .5 to 1.5 seconds exposure time.  I set the apperature to between about f/8 for my flash at about 6 feet to f/2 at 20 feet.</p>
<p>I do have a couple different 1&#215;1 foot soft box attachment for the flashes but they only soften (i.e. wrap light arround the subject when the flash is at most 3 feet from the subject and that is often too close so I don&#8217;t move them much.</p>
<p>A friend recently started using a a thin white 3 foot long tube wraped arround the head.  I havent seen the results but I do imagine that at a distance of up 6 feet this should create a nice soft wrap if held horizontally.  It&#8217;s just a strange and unweildy thing to have to carry, but i&#8217;m gonna try it eventually.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.packman.fotopic.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.packman.fotopic.net</a><br />
<a href="http://www.nightclubs.fotopic.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.nightclubs.fotopic.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: komar_kzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>komar_kzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scotsman, You might want to check this out: 
1: Leo Flat IMG http://www.mininova.org/tor/1014949
2: Insanely Mac Forum (X86 section)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scotsman, You might want to check this out:<br />
1: Leo Flat IMG <a href="http://www.mininova.org/tor/1014949" rel="nofollow">http://www.mininova.org/tor/1014949</a><br />
2: Insanely Mac Forum (X86 section)</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Rytterfalk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Rytterfalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Packman for the clarification and the information!! What are you using for your consert shots? I wanna know much more about this. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Packman for the clarification and the information!! What are you using for your consert shots? I wanna know much more about this. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Packman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Packman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me add one thing about bounce photography.

Size matters. Distance too.

Softness as it relates to light is all about light coming from a larger source.  A bounce that is 2 inches is about the same as a bounce that is 4 inches.  You really need something larger that a foot or 3 feet to make any significant difference than a 6 inch bounce.  I come from the motion picture world as a grip.  We use diffusion all the time and size does matter.  A 2 foot size diffusion at 4 feet subject difference is equal to a 4 foot diffusion material at a 8 foot distance (maybe even at 6 feet because of the inverse square rule)

The reason a small bounce card on a camera gives any lighting effect is because a direct flash strobe light acts almost like a pinpoint coming from the element in the flash head(with a minimum of diffusion coming from the mostly clear lens on the head of the flash unit).  So a four inch bounce card is about ten times the size of a direct flashes point of origin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me add one thing about bounce photography.</p>
<p>Size matters. Distance too.</p>
<p>Softness as it relates to light is all about light coming from a larger source.  A bounce that is 2 inches is about the same as a bounce that is 4 inches.  You really need something larger that a foot or 3 feet to make any significant difference than a 6 inch bounce.  I come from the motion picture world as a grip.  We use diffusion all the time and size does matter.  A 2 foot size diffusion at 4 feet subject difference is equal to a 4 foot diffusion material at a 8 foot distance (maybe even at 6 feet because of the inverse square rule)</p>
<p>The reason a small bounce card on a camera gives any lighting effect is because a direct flash strobe light acts almost like a pinpoint coming from the element in the flash head(with a minimum of diffusion coming from the mostly clear lens on the head of the flash unit).  So a four inch bounce card is about ten times the size of a direct flashes point of origin.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Rytterfalk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Rytterfalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Packman! Nice work, strange fellow. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Packman! Nice work, strange fellow. :D</p>
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